Would you have opinions and a list of competitors based on simplicity rather than light weight? Easy set up (this leans me toward the freestanding CS), Lightweight for 1p camping (this leans me toward the hornet), Reliable 3 season protection from the wind and rain, Enough room for two people to sit up (doesn't have to be super comfortable, just possible), Two doors and vestibules (both have this). Dec. 2017, I directly asked BA what the denier of their fabrics are in this tent. r/Ultralight is the largest online Ultralight Backpacking community! The dedicated poles make BA tents more user-friendly, but end up being a big handicap. I’m expecting multiple family/friends to come join me for short sections of the PCT so I wanted a 1.5-2 person tent that was lightweight enough to carry throughout. She thought it was comfortable and secure, appreciated having her own door and interior pockets, and was able to pitch it without knowing any knots or reading the instructions. However, I spent 2 weeks camping north of Seattle (in one location) with this tent and I didn’t like it, although I wasn’t able to figure out exactly why until I read your review here and things became clearer. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. However, they are 9 to 15 oz heavier and $50 more, which seems like big penalty for one marginal benefit, the Copper Spur’s free-standing design. ft. 40 in. Andrew, Disclosure. It wasn’t until we hit the 30s on San Jacinto that the cold became a problem. This model offers a traditional setup for a semi-freestanding tent, but also has a couple of trickier-to-navigate features. Shelters from both brands are more fussy, and you can’t return them or check them out in a store. I’ve been thinking a lot about the Tiger Wall since I wrote the review, and pondering the question, “Why would anyone actually buy this thing?” As I said in the review, I’d buy it because it’s a perfect “couples trip” tent — plenty of room for two (in the 3P version), and simple as heck to set up. REI has been the exclusive distributor so far, but more retailers will have it starting next month. It's lighter, probably more durable, and cheaper than a footprint. What are your thoughts. Therefore Copper Spur’s floor area is 1 ft² (%3.5) bigger than the Tiger Wall… 4. Please check your entries and try again. 2: 1P, 2P The stingy tie-outs and small entryway also fall into this topic, but they’ve been mentioned elsewhere. ft. 39 in. Entry and exit is physically easier, requiring less contorting. To find something better (i.e. 2: 1P, 2P, 3P, 4P: Big Agnes Fly Creek HV UL2: $350: 2 lbs. Treat them with care: keep them clean and don’t tug hard on them. The door tie backs are a PITA, and I have no idea why they are so low. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. And one way that BA achieves very low weights is by using very lightweight fabrics. 1: 1P, 2P, 3P: REI Co-op Quarter Dome SL2: $349: 2 lbs. Amanda and I found the UL3 amply comfortable. Notify me of followup comments via e-mail. The Nemo Hornet 2P is 3 oz lighter than the Tiger Wall UL2 and $30 less expensive. I also can get pretty good pro deals on either option, with the Copper Spur being only about ~$40 bucks more. The tie back for the door is in an odd location and makes a lower opening than the netting door, which is huge. Andrew, The side walls are near vertical, which allows all occupants to sit up comfortably without needing to lean towards the center as required in fin-style geometries like the Fly Creek and Nemo Hornet. 2: 1P, 2P: Big Agnes Copper Spur: $450: 3 lbs. So basically, 2 people can't sit up simultaneously. However, it’s almost too easy — unlike a perfectly pitched tarp or mid, it provides no sense of satisfaction. Do you know if BA will be releasing an update to the Tiger Wall UL2/3 for 2019, and what the changes would be? The poles on the TW UL3 weigh 15 oz. Im 5'11 and love that we can both sit up comfortably and laying out I have plenty of room. Reducing pack weight is important for me. We like Big … I read your other post on the new Carbon models for 2019. For sure check out the Big Agnes FlyCreek HV UL2. We ended up buying a SD Sweet Suite 2. Long-term gear reviews: Product insights after a 100-day Appalachian Trail thru-hike. 15 x 20D: 29 sq. The newsletter is sent once per month, max, and normally contains informative reviews and skill tutorials. We never feel cramped spending time inside. But those seem like small inconveniences to me, in light of what you get and given the long history of use of these shelters, i.e. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Then bring some Ti skewer stakes for non-critical tie-outs. Yeah I would say the hornet fits the "technically possible but aggressively annoying" category there. Have you considered the Nemo dragonfly? A shorter pole set that could be oriented horizontally would be preferred, if the weight trade-off was not significant. Big Agnes Tiger Wall’s vestibule area (8 sq ft) is %12.6 bigger on each side compared to Nemo Hornet’s vestibule area (7.1 sq ft). PRICE: $$$. Despite sleeping in this orientation my head and feet were still in contact with the interior tent walls the whole time. I’d like to see the mods you do. If you want the quick answer, although both tents’ sizes are nearly the same, Tiger Wall’s bigger when pitched and smaller when packed. But it uses more delicate fabrics (10d fly and floor), and it’s pitch is non-freestanding and less storm-resistant. backcountry.com. How could Big Agnes improve the Tiger Wall UL, without fundamentally changing it (e.g. amzn_assoc_region = "US";
Sierra Designs switched to this style last year, too. The Fly Creek HV UL3 is heavier by 6 oz, but still has only one door. If you camp frequently in southern Utah or other environments with extremely fine sand, I’d probably look for a different shelter. Surprisingly durable, can take more of a beating from the weather than you would think. Tarptent has a few models that are competitive with the Tiger Wall, notably the Bowfin, Double Rainbow, and Saddle 2. Another 12 inches of zipper (at the cost of about 2 oz) would help here. My specs were based on conversations with reps at OR in January 2018, but the rep seemed a little foggy on this email. Unless they changed their floor material, you should edit to report a floor of 15d. Both Big Agnes Tiger Wall and Copper Spur’s floor area has a tapered design with the dimensions of 52″ at head side, 42″ at the feet side. amzn_assoc_marketplace = "amazon";
The footprint is strongly recommended for increasing the longevity of your tent. In spite of your advice I bought a tiger wall ul3 to use as a 2p tent (I don’t always use poles, my backpacking buddies usually have less experience than me and it’s an easy tent for them to set up, I found it for $300, etc).